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Default Nov. 10th, 2009, 03:54 PM

Hear me out though....Naruto has Nine Tails...His father put the 9 Tails in him because he knew Nruto could use its power someday...Until then the 9 Tails has been sealed, but Naruto keeps losing control whenever the Fox Chakra comes out...

We now know sasuke has a beast inside himself as well....He is also losing control...If Naruto is to stop sasuke with that power...Naruto will definitely need the fox's chakra...more than that he will need to control it, possibly along with his Sage chakra....

The only one capable of taming the 9 Tailed Fox is a sharingan user...this has been said over and over...Uchiha Madara can...Sasuke can...

In order for Naruto to control that Fox, he has to obtain sharingan....There is no other way...As strong as Naruto is, and as strong as his will is...he still needs the 4th's seal to keep the 9 Tails at bay, because whenever that power leaks out, Naruto loses control...All hell was going to break loose when Naruto was about to tear the seal off....He needs a way of controlling the kyuubi...

i.e. Itachi knew this...he gave Naruto a piece of himself...the sharingan.




   
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Default Nov. 11th, 2009, 04:13 AM

would be boring to see sharingan vs. sharingan again. maybe something to counter it or get through the ultimate defense without loosing an arm ^_^
   
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Default Dec. 14th, 2009, 05:05 AM

i don't think so.
he so powerful and eye sharingan is not so useful for him !!!
he can fight any buddy even madara uchiha !!!


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Default Dec. 14th, 2009, 08:16 AM

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He needs a way of controlling the kyuubi...

i.e. Itachi knew this...he gave Naruto a piece of himself...the sharingan.
Seriously man, now I'm thinking that you have an aim of taking legitimate facts and sodomizing it for some reason. You did it in the Bleach section and twice here. Now let me clearify this. Naruto wasn't given any sharingan. Two reasons. Why did he not use it when Deva Pein had him trapped in the moon-shaped rock and when the Fourth came out? Secondly, you cannot just hand over sharingans. For instance, how did Kakashi get his sharingan? From Obito. Last time I checked, Itachi never lost an eye when he gave out the power to Naruto.
And do you know how Naruto keeps control of the tails? Will power. If he extends his will over the Nine Tails, he can extend control over the rest of the tails and use the full power like Killer Bee.
   
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Default Dec. 14th, 2009, 11:08 AM

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Seriously man, now I'm thinking that you have an aim of taking legitimate facts and sodomizing it for some reason. You did it in the Bleach section and twice here. Now let me clearify this. Naruto wasn't given any sharingan. Two reasons. Why did he not use it when Deva Pein had him trapped in the moon-shaped rock and when the Fourth came out? Secondly, you cannot just hand over sharingans. For instance, how did Kakashi get his sharingan? From Obito. Last time I checked, Itachi never lost an eye when he gave out the power to Naruto.
And do you know how Naruto keeps control of the tails? Will power. If he extends his will over the Nine Tails, he can extend control over the rest of the tails and use the full power like Killer Bee.

LOL...nah dude i just like thinking about the what ifs...Going thru the possibilities and probabilities...
this was just a theory, a hypothesis about the plot...im well aware that it isnt the most likely scenario....


But....Why he didnt use it against Deva Pain -> Itachi used the same trick he used on Sasuke, on Naruto...(i.e. the hidden Amateratsu).... IF Naruto has sharingan, it will be a temporary fix, activated when he sees the trigger. Do you get that? Naruto may not have total control over it...

You can't hand over sharingans -> Lol yea, ur probably right...of course i didnt think you could have dozens of sharingans on your arm either. If i would have said this about Danzou when they first showed him, what would you have said? "You're crazy as fu*k Fox...Dude, just stop watching the show." lol

Will Power -> Definitely a factor in his control over the 9 Tails...plus his enormous chakra...But that's only as long as the seal stays on. Killer Bee has control, from wat i've seen his beast actually likes him and lets him use the power. i.e. the convo they had during Kisame fight. Could be wrong cuz Garaa has(had) control of his beast as well. But to really get to the bottom of that you'd have to know all of the beasts relationships with their carriers. But from what I've seen ^^^^


Honestly you dont know what the hell Itachi gave Naruto...all we know is that he gave him something. So what's wrong with laying out the possibilities...We've seen just about everything so far...is a temporary Sharingan fix really that far fetched in this show Vergil? Think about it...even if the least likely, it is still up in the air because we know nothing. We saw itachi shove one of his birds in Naruto's mouth...he said he gave him something. If you have a better theory i would love to hear it..and if you can totally disprove mine, awesome, show me. So far you've said nothing but that you disagree, and that's cool. i enjoy talking about this sh*t with other die-hard fans, it's why i watch the show/read the manga.





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Default Dec. 14th, 2009, 05:52 PM

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LOL...nah dude i just like thinking about the what ifs...Going thru the possibilities and probabilities...
this was just a theory, a hypothesis about the plot...im well aware that it isnt the most likely scenario....


But....Why he didnt use it against Deva Pain -> Itachi used the same trick he used on Sasuke, on Naruto...(i.e. the hidden Amateratsu).... IF Naruto has sharingan, it will be a temporary fix, activated when he sees the trigger. Do you get that? Naruto may not have total control over it...

You can't hand over sharingans -> Lol yea, ur probably right...of course i didnt think you could have dozens of sharingans on your arm either. If i would have said this about Danzou when they first showed him, what would you have said? "You're crazy as fu*k Fox...Dude, just stop watching the show." lol

Will Power -> Definitely a factor in his control over the 9 Tails...plus his enormous chakra...But that's only as long as the seal stays on. Killer Bee has control, from wat i've seen his beast actually likes him and lets him use the power. i.e. the convo they had during Kisame fight. Could be wrong cuz Garaa has(had) control of his beast as well. But to really get to the bottom of that you'd have to know all of the beasts relationships with their carriers. But from what I've seen ^^^^


Honestly you dont know what the hell Itachi gave Naruto...all we know is that he gave him something. So what's wrong with laying out the possibilities...We've seen just about everything so far...is a temporary Sharingan fix really that far fetched in this show Vergil? Think about it...even if the least likely, it is still up in the air because we know nothing. We saw itachi shove one of his birds in Naruto's mouth...he said he gave him something. If you have a better theory i would love to hear it..and if you can totally disprove mine, awesome, show me. So far you've said nothing but that you disagree, and that's cool. i enjoy talking about this sh*t with other die-hard fans, it's why i watch the show/read the manga.
There seems to be a hole in your logic...and it's a pretty big one at that: If there is a "trigger" for this sharingan that Itachi gave to Naruto how will that help him control the fox? What would the trigger be? If he cannot control the ability given to him, he won't be able to use said ability to control the Kyuubi chakra in him.

I do think that Naruto's will power is a must in controlling the Kyuubi, but that is exactly why the Kyuubi didn't like him in the first place, he had no will. He just kept on relying on the Kyuubi's power. Now that he doesn't rely on it so much and he has gotten a bit stronger maybe the fox will have a little more respect for him....that's just my theory to match yours.

You're probably right about the Danzou thing though, I doubt anyone would have believed it if they hadn't seen it drawn in black and white.


   
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Default Dec. 14th, 2009, 06:53 PM

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There seems to be a hole in your logic...and it's a pretty big one at that: If there is a "trigger" for this sharingan that Itachi gave to Naruto how will that help him control the fox? What would the trigger be? If he cannot control the ability given to him, he won't be able to use said ability to control the Kyuubi chakra in him.

I do think that Naruto's will power is a must in controlling the Kyuubi, but that is exactly why the Kyuubi didn't like him in the first place, he had no will. He just kept on relying on the Kyuubi's power. Now that he doesn't rely on it so much and he has gotten a bit stronger maybe the fox will have a little more respect for him....that's just my theory to match yours.

You're probably right about the Danzou thing though, I doubt anyone would have believed it if they hadn't seen it drawn in black and white.

I have no idea how it would..i guess it would depend on said trigger...it may not be sharingan, i know that, but im pretty positive whatever was given to Naruto will be activated by a certain event/trigger. We just have to wait and see.

Yea that is one reason...the other could be that he was forced to reside in Naruto by the 4th, so he doesnt like being there in the first place. His will power has been keeping the fox at bay only limited to a few tails so far as we've seen...Whenever he freaks out and goes 4 and over...well he freaks out until he turns back to normal. You dont think there will be another factor in his control other than will power?




   
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Default Dec. 14th, 2009, 11:15 PM

No, I see that as the only factor needed. With his will power will come the respect of the Kyuubi, I doubt he will ever be able to just overpower the fox so that's definitely out of the question. The only way to use that much power would be with the Kyuubi's cooperation. He just needs to ask Bee what he did, I'm pretty sure it has to do with the singing.


   
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Default Dec. 14th, 2009, 11:39 PM

I've always presumed that the gift will be activated by some trigger, i.e once Naruto is engulfed in a gentutsu such as Tsukuyomi. I also believe that the premise of him giving "part of himself" isn't that far fetched.

To this day I think that Itachi, when in his prime, would have wiped the floor with Sasuke. This is where my thought comes into play. Itachi knew that he didn't have it in him to save (or kill?) his own brother. Therefore he encountered Naruto and assessed Naruto's true intentions. Upon deciding that Naruto has what it takes to save Sasuke he gave the gift to Naruto, presumably to stop Sasuke. When Itachi fought Sasuke it was noted that he was fighting sluggishly. I think that this may be a result of him giving Naruto a "part of himself". Then again it may have just been the result of excessive MS use.

However, I don't think that Naruto was given the sharingan for the same exact reasons stated above.
   
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Default Dec. 15th, 2009, 12:22 PM

I would have said no, but with danzou and it's mighty arms of sharingan, we never know


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