Naruto 407 discussion

[Vergil the Fallen]

I think its Pein's weakness, the code thing...Jiraiya found out Pein's weakness but it was too late...because in this chapter, Pein's invincibility was emphasized so i won't be surprised that its about Pein's weakness....Jiraiya knew that Pein was going to go after Naruto so it was kind of a warning coupled with hints...

[Jojo Bizarre]

Originally Posted by Vergil the Fallen

I think its Pein's weakness, the code thing...Jiraiya found out Pein's weakness but it was too late...because in this chapter, Pein's invincibility was emphasized so i won't be surprised that its about Pein's weakness....Jiraiya knew that Pein was going to go after Naruto so it was kind of a warning coupled with hints...

I didn't saw it that way, but I think you might be right, they really have emphasized is invincibility!

So it might be really what inside the ode!

great thinking

[BiG ToE]

I saw the code as code for Pein isn't there. As if saying, none of those 6 or is it 5 bodies now, aren't the real Pein. So it doesn't matter if you beat all of his forms, because none of them are him. That's why he is invincible.

Still questioning the fact that this so called invicible Pein is taking orders from Madra. Unless Madra was able to brain wash Pein, the same way he did Sasuke.

Good news is, it will take Pein two chapters to reach the Village, within that time, Naruto will get the info needed from the Frog guy, and Instead of Naruto and the gang fighting all of Peins people, they will head out to locate the true Pein.

[sharingan09]

That invincibility like you stated could be true or that just, because he has such a great skill as a ninja on his own he is really strong, and having another 6 bodies with the same level of skill as the original would be tough to deal with... so technically hes "invincible"

But I agree as to why he would be taking orders from Madara when he could probably beat the crap out of him.. unless theres something hidden that we dont know about Madaras powers like how he can become hollow and let attacks just go through him..

[Vergil the Fallen]

The only thing thats has Pein under Madara's control is because the latter has EMS and because of that, the possibilities are endless. We still do not know about EMS' true potential. If there was no EMS, Madara would have been killed by Pein a ling time ago. If Pein develops an advanced form of Renningan (equivalent to EMS), Madara would be no match for him.

[BiG ToE]

its hard to say, I'm sure having 6 bodies fighting 1 guy would be great and all, but after watching Pein fight Pervy, I woudl have to say, fighting Pein is like fighting a guy with a multi shaow clone jutsu. There was nothing really special about it. Keeping that in mind, Madra would still have an upper hand. If he was able to take on(toy) with Naruto and his group, Pein shouldn't be a problem. I'm not saying that Naruto and the group are equal to Pein, but I am saying that the number of people that come at Madra won't matter when you have Sharingan and can see all their movements, and even predict what their next movements will be.

[firini]

Not true.

1. Shadowclones cut the Chakra in half, per Clone.
2. The Clones dont share the same sight.

The Rinnegan is the most powerful of the eye techniques ("without question" was the words jiraya used). We dont know what it really does, we also dont know if Pain has mastered it or not. The only thing we know is that it somehow enables you to control more bodies (if its not just a big jutsu that could be learned from anyone) and that it is capable of INVENTING the ninjutsu, which is around 1/3rd of what all Ninjas in the whole Naruto world are using now.

So how comes we think Madara > Pain? I could also see how Pains plan as a God needs to have something like Akatsuki to locate and hunt down the Bijous that Pain need for his Jutsu.

I think there is much more behind what Madara is up to and what his Powers really are, it doesnt seem to me that the others are following him cuz of "fear".
Instead like with Kisame, that he has proven himself in some way as the "Masterplanner".

Another possibilty could be that Pain thinks of disposing anyone who could oppose him right after he finished his jutsu. Remember he thinks of himself as a god, why would he follow a mere humans orders and why should he bother with him when he has what he wanted?

Or Madara just kicks ass and that really is why Pain is listening to him

[keronbrown]

Well frankly I think they are all working as a group meaning they have joined forces with each other to get the tailed beasts. So for me I do not see it as Pain taking orders from Madara or under his control but Pain is working together with Madara.

[Vergil the Fallen]

Originally Posted by BiG ToE

its hard to say, I'm sure having 6 bodies fighting 1 guy would be great and all, but after watching Pein fight Pervy, I woudl have to say, fighting Pein is like fighting a guy with a multi shaow clone jutsu. There was nothing really special about it. Keeping that in mind, Madra would still have an upper hand. If he was able to take on(toy) with Naruto and his group, Pein shouldn't be a problem. I'm not saying that Naruto and the group are equal to Pein, but I am saying that the number of people that come at Madra won't matter when you have Sharingan and can see all their movements, and even predict what their next movements will be.

Are you kidding me?! Nothing special about it? Then how in living hell did he defeat a legendary Sannin and Salamander Hanzo? Can you explain that? Each of Pein's body has its own special qualities. And you are forgetting that Pein has his own powers as well like 'summoning' justsu. Madara has the upper hand for now. As you should notice that Madara ordered Pein to do something which Pein would have already done himself. So think what would have happened if Pein was forbidden by Madara to go after Naruto. Madara is fullyu aware of the Renningan's powers and he also knows that Pein will be out of his hand if Renningan is at its full potential. And that is how we know that Pein's renningan is not fully developed yet.

[sasuke86est]

yeap finally a good chapter I guess pain's secret is what we all have been suspecting meaning that nagato uses other bodies in fights while staying hidden and and i loved tobi making fun of the "Invincible Pain" xD