Naruto Chapter: 470 Spoilers/Discussions

[vaggoz]

You are right practically right Sasuke hasn't defeated anyone on his own except Deidara....His team,he had them to find Itachi and stop kisame from interapting.As for the akatsuki members that I've talked sasori,deidara,hidan,kakuzu I believe that he can defeat them.sasori and deidara would be easier than kakuzu and hidan because they have better abilities,deidara already lost and sasori according to my opinion is as strong as deidara more the less so I believe he would lost too.I already tlked about the hidan and kakuzu but let me add that kakuzu had damaged and lost one heart from kakashi who used raikiri, the same abilities and maybe even better as we have seen Sasuke has so I believe he could do something more

[PrimeraOye]

I feel a little awkward for interjecting in you guys' heated debate, but in that last post you said Deidara and Sasori were on the same level. That is not true, we know for a fact that Sasori was stronger than Deidara, he even said it himself. We also know that Sasori was Deidara's superior, this was most likely for the reason that he was stronger than him.

Hidan would probably get Sasuke before he figures out what he has done to him. We all know that Sasuke looks down on everyone so he will probably go for a heart blow at first, underestimating Hidan. When he does this all Hidan would have to do it get some of his blood while Sasuke thinks he has won the battle. It would be over from there.

Kakuzu was already pretty much explained by Vergil, but we are also forgetting the fact that he was incredibly strong. This was on top of all the elements he already had.

[vaggoz]

Oh!!!:P I forget that about deidara and sasori you're right.I said hidan was already difficult to defeat just one person alone would never be able to to do it!I mean some1 who didn't know anything for hidan's abilities!Now for kakuzu as Sasuke is stronger than kakashi there is a possibility to do something more right?I mean kakuzu lost a heart from kakashi why sasuke can't do the same or more?And last Kakuzu lost from Naruto even if I count the fuuton:Rasen-shuriken which is a unique ability it is possible for sasuke to defeat his as kakuzu fell for naruto's trick...also Sasukedoesn't have any strong attack to the level of rasn-shuriken but he still would find a way

[Vergil the Fallen]

You are forgetting, Kakuzu was defeated by a Team 10 and Team 7, not by Kakashi in a one on one fight. So even with Sasuke's team they could not have defeated Kakuzu.

[Lighty]

Originally Posted by Vergil the Fallen

You are forgetting, Kakuzu was defeated by a Team 10 and Team 7, not by Kakashi in a one on one fight. So even with Sasuke's team they could not have defeated Kakuzu.

Why not?
Sasuke can take his earth heart with his Chidori, 1 gone.
And Suigetsu and Juugo are no weaklings. Sasuke has Sharingan, it is pretty impressive that Shika can do this analyzing without Sharingan, but Sasuke would notice Kakazu's secret.
So then, let Kakazu fuse with the remaining hearts.
Everyone gets blown away.
Sasuke starts bleeding from his eye.
"Amaterasu"
Kakazu dead.

And Hidan is surely slower than Sasuke, with or without his big weapon, it doesnt matter.

And Chiyo did not know so much of her grandson!
The only thing she knew was how Hiroku looked like, but was surprised by his extra weapons.
So Chiyo did not have that much of an advantage, he could dodge those attacks because she herself is a puppet user.
Sasuke can do the same with his Sharingan.
Chidori destroys Hiroku, his speed kills the Kazekage's Puppet together with CS.
And his Sharingan tells him where he has to stab Sasori in order to kill him.

[greyfox1]

Exactly...Sasuke along with his team could definitely take Kakuzu..

Sasuke by himself would kill Hidane and sasori...Both would give him a fight of course, but no more than Deidara...It's Akatsuki so of course he would have a tough fight on his hands, but Sasuke is no pushover.

Sasuke Level 1 => Curse Mark, Orochimaru Jutsus, Chidori, Chidori current and spear, Fireball Jutsu, his sword, Kirin (ultimate atack), Genjutsu (Rivals Itachi's)

Sasuke Level 2 => His Sword, Mangekyo Sharingan (Amateratsu, Genjutsu, Susano), Kirin, Chidori....Much more.

(Not to mention his fighting intellect...which is definitely up there with Shikimaru. Proved that when he fought Deidara and Itachi)


Hidane => Has a scythe...immortal...Blood curse

Sasori => Mad # of puppets...including 3rd Kaze....um, some abilities with the puppets (poison, flamethrower, ect.)

Kakuzu => Lots of hearts so he's hard to kill...controls plenty elements...Earth, fire, lightning...Can take out his hearts and make them monsters....He's pretty strong, fought a kage...but Naruto took him out, so Sasuke could for sure..even if it meant with a little backup from Team Hawk.


Lol...So come on, Sasuke is a gun...way stronger than Kakashi at this point...but MAYBE sasuke would have trouble fighting Kakuzu alone...Only cuz of the hearts and how he can summon those two monster things....But Hidane, Sasori and a few others in Akatsuki would eat dirt....That Kirin alone Sasuke has can kill anyone quick, except for Itachi in that special case....And once again, that Sharingan makes most jutsus useless...and his Genjutsu along with it is to par with Itachi's. (He used it on Deidara a few times...Countered Itachi's...)

All Sasori has is puppets, sasuke has sharingan....guy above me said it right.

Sasuke is a tough one to take down yo...Dont forget who's little brother he is...Fought Killer Bee...And even when taking some damage from Raikage, still swingin...The boy is a tough sob....It's meant for he and Naruto to be the strongest.

[Vergil the Fallen]

Okay let me take care of this once and for all.
Kakuzu has five elements at his disposal. Earth, fire, lightning, wind and water. Okay now I'll analyze your view of how Sasuke can defeat him. You say Sasuke can defeat one heart with a chidori. Okay. That is IF Kakuzu is teamed up on. Kakashi killed his first heart with team work.
And can you expalin how Sasuke can notice Kakuzu with his Sharingan? Kakashi defeated his first heart BEFORE Kakuzu released his other hearts in seperate bodies. Lets say that Sasuke goes after two bodies. What happens to the others then? For the sake of team work, lets add Suigetsu, Juugo and Karin. Do you honestly think that these idiots will be able to go against a ninja who has been there for centuries and fighting all the time? Kakuzu has all the elements to his disposal so that will surely make their lives miserable.
Amaterau by Sasuke= Kakuzu dead? Lol. My friend, you seem to overestimate Amaterasu. And effective against Kakuzu? Can you go in some detail on what technique Sasuke will apply using the Amatersau on Kakuzu's bodies? And on that matter, you pointed out that Sasuke will start bleeding from his eyes. What does that indicate? MS takes a chunk out of the user's chakra. And since Sasuke is not known for his chakra awesomeness, we both know who will come on top with that one.
And oh, almost forgot. Kakuzu can harden his skin and has insane speed. Since Sasuke relies on speed, well, so then you know how it goes from there.
And wait, wait. How can you even think of comparing Sharingan with puppet usage? Come on. Chiyo did not defeat Sasori on by herself. She survived the way she did was because of the puppets. Any other person would have been owned. And fyi, Chiyo knew on what path Sasori was heading when he created the puppets of his mom and dad and became renegade. And oh God, you honestly think that a dude like Sasuke could even hope of defeating the strongest Kazekage in history, much less the person who defeated them? Sasuke could his ass handed over to him by Raikage who only used melee techniques. Now imagine putting Sasuke through an extremely powerful Kage with both short and long ranged combat. When it comes to comparing Sasuke and Sasori, the difference is enormous, in favor of Sasori.
And lol, anyone with good eye sight can see where to stab Sasori. But thats only possible if Sasori lets him. And oh yeah, Sasuke defeated those thousands of ninjas with Oro's powers. And same goes for how he defeated Deirdara. Sasuke relied on flying when he defeated Deirdara. Since MS does not seem to provide that, I don't see how he could defeat Dierdara now, on his current level. He would run out of chakra before he could land a fatal hit on Deirdara. Its not impossible for him to defeat Deirdara but it would be very difficult.

[greyfox1]

Lol dude...i pretty much ended it but ok ill explain further...First Sasuke Vs. Sasori...Lets say they go ALL OUT right from gate and try to kill each other.

Sasori unleashes the 3rd Kaze...complete with steel sand or whatever...Okay Sasuke might be in trouble...Uh Oh, genjutsu...Sasori doesnt know what's goin on lol...

But lets say since Sasori is a puppet, genjutsu wont work... Grand Dragon Flame Jutsu from Sasuke...Sasori isnt that fast, so it will probably hit...but ok lets say Sasori gets out the way and does some more crazy puppet crap...Sasuke's movements become so fast...Chidori....

What I'm trying to say is Sasuke would own Sasori...because all Sasori has, according to you is the 3rd Kaze...which isnt really the 3rd...has his abilities but ultimately he is being controlled by Sasori...(O yea and Kirin or amateratsu would basically end the fight quick)...

Now Team Hawk Vs. Kakuzu...once again, all out from the start.

Same situation...Juugo is the very strong cuz of his curse mark, Suigetsu has a big as* sword and is hard to even hit...Karin senses chakra and Sasuke does all of that but better...
Sasuke takes out a heart...Kakuzu is pissed, summons those two monsters, lightning and fire...Both of which Sasuke has...Juugo would fight Kakuzu most likely cuz they both have "tough skin"...both can take some damage...(O yea did you see what Juugo almost did to Raikage?) Suigetsu and Sasuke could definitel handle the two monsters, Amateratsu would definitely kill Kakuzu...Team Hawk would win.

Deidara would have the same fate...so sasuke cant fly? lol once again, Kirin...Deidara dead, Sasuke wouldnt have to use MS...and if he did he'd most likely put Deidara in a crazy genutsu, then kill him...not waste all his chkra on one amateratsu.

Not to mention Sasuke has the advantage of being a main character...automatic ownage...he'd find a way to take down all of them.

[PrimeraOye]

Originally Posted by greyfox1

Lol dude...i pretty much ended it but ok ill explain further...First Sasuke Vs. Sasori...Lets say they go ALL OUT right from gate and try to kill each other.

Sasori unleashes the 3rd Kaze...complete with steel sand or whatever...Okay Sasuke might be in trouble...Uh Oh, genjutsu...Sasori doesnt know what's goin on lol...

But lets say since Sasori is a puppet, genjutsu wont work... Grand Dragon Flame Jutsu from Sasuke...Sasori isnt that fast, so it will probably hit...but ok lets say Sasori gets out the way and does some more crazy puppet crap...Sasuke's movements become so fast...Chidori....

What I'm trying to say is Sasuke would own Sasori...because all Sasori has, according to you is the 3rd Kaze...which isnt really the 3rd...has his abilities but ultimately he is being controlled by Sasori...(O yea and Kirin or amateratsu would basically end the fight quick)...

Now Team Hawk Vs. Kakuzu...once again, all out from the start.

Same situation...Juugo is the very strong cuz of his curse mark, Suigetsu has a big as* sword and is hard to even hit...Karin senses chakra and Sasuke does all of that but better...
Sasuke takes out a heart...Kakuzu is pissed, summons those two monsters, lightning and fire...Both of which Sasuke has...Juugo would fight Kakuzu most likely cuz they both have "tough skin"...both can take some damage...(O yea did you see what Juugo almost did to Raikage?) Suigetsu and Sasuke could definitel handle the two monsters, Amateratsu would definitely kill Kakuzu...Team Hawk would win.

Deidara would have the same fate...so sasuke cant fly? lol once again, Kirin...Deidara dead, Sasuke wouldnt have to use MS...and if he did he'd most likely put Deidara in a crazy genutsu, then kill him...not waste all his chkra on one amateratsu.

Not to mention Sasuke has the advantage of being a main character...automatic ownage...he'd find a way to take down all of them.

In no way am I trying to start a fight here, but all of your claims basically end with "See? Sasuke wins" That's not much a case...can you please elaborate more?

[Vergil the Fallen]

@Greyfox1-
Amatersau is only effective if it connects. Am I correct? And do you really think Sasori would allow himself to get hit? 'Lol oh no, genjutsu' doesn't very much explain it. I will explain it again. Sharingan is only effective when one on one. Well, now lets see. Hmm. Thousand against one? Doubtful if that will work.
Sasori is not fast? I would suggest you see the fight between Sasori, Chiyo and Sakura to see whether it will indicate whether Sasori is fast or not. Chidori, what? Sasuke had a helluva time using chidori against Deirdara, who himself said Sasori was much more powerful than him. So, yeah, the evidence is right there.
Third Kazekage was defeated by Sasori. Am I right? Seems so. He uses the puppet against Sasuke, which coincidentally has Third's special powers. And when I said Sasori killed off Third Kazekage and there was no way in hell Sasuke could have done that, I was comparing the power levels of Sasori and Sasuke. So Sasori>Third Kazekage>Sasuke. Which ends up as= Sasori>Sasuke. Simple maths.
Now to Kakuzu. So basically you are saying that Suigetsu is made of water, Juugo is very strong and Sasuke has two elements. Now compare that to Kakuzu. Water (Kakuzu will know how to deal with Suigetsu), Fire (Sasuke's half-element, his flame countered by this), Earth (Juugo probably owned by this because he is not exactly your high flying one), Lightning (Chidori goes out of the window) and Wind (bonus). So tell me now clearly, how could Eagle defeat Kakuzu. Kakuzu's defeat came in by Team 7 AND Team 10. So are you really implying that together those teams are weaker than Hawk? Am I the only one who sees this as ridiculous?
OMG, now you are saying Sasuke can kill off Deirdara without MS? Holy shit. Okay, ahem. Did you know how Sasuke won the fight? Hmm. Let me see. Cursed Seal anyone? And oh why did he not use genjutsu or Kirin against Deirdara? Oh right. No Kirin because no thunder clouds above. Clear sky and Kirin out of the picture.
And please do not place arguments like 'automatic ownage' as one of the counter-arguments. This is a discussion thread. If 'autmatic ownage' was considered as one of the credible arguments then every discussion thread would have one or two posts max with this obvious statements. We are here to argue with logic which you did in the rest of your post, to which I am gladly obliged to reply, which I have done so.