Naruto Chapter: 470 Spoilers/Discussions

[forge]

Originally Posted by Vergil the Fallen

Killer Bee was in a tricky situaiton when he faced Sasuke and the gang. Now its Kisame versus Killer Bee, his big bear thingi and the rapping helper. In my view, Sasuke and the team were nothing compared to Kisame. In fact, none of the Akatsuki members (dead or otherwise) were weaker than Sasuke. If one of them fought Sasuke, he would have been killed off. Kisame is known to be one of the most powerful Akatsuki members together with Pein, Sasori and Itachi. How do I know that? Because Madara respected him enough to tell him who he was (he only told Nagato and Itachi before).
Samaheda is not a collector of chakra but an absorber. And it can only absorb chakra if Kisame allows it, using his own. Together with the absorbed chakra and Kisame's own, he will be able to release some chakra energy bursts (just my thought, no proof of that yet).
In this chapter, Samaheda somehwat awakened, meaning Kisame poured his own chakra in it. Samaheda will never explode or turn itself on Kisame. Suigetsu said that Samaheda will be his if he kills Kisame. So the only way Samaheda will be on its own is when Kisame dies.

Actually, Sasuke did fight Deidara and won. I would consider him the weakest of the Akatsuki because of the limitations of his powers.

[Vergil the Fallen]

Ah damn, forgot about that. Thanks for pointing out.

[greyfox1]

Originally Posted by Vergil the Fallen

Killer Bee was in a tricky situaiton when he faced Sasuke and the gang. Now its Kisame versus Killer Bee, his big bear thingi and the rapping helper. In my view, Sasuke and the team were nothing compared to Kisame. In fact, none of the Akatsuki members (dead or otherwise) were weaker than Sasuke. If one of them fought Sasuke, he would have been killed off. Kisame is known to be one of the most powerful Akatsuki members together with Pein, Sasori and Itachi. How do I know that? Because Madara respected him enough to tell him who he was (he only told Nagato and Itachi before).
Samaheda is not a collector of chakra but an absorber. And it can only absorb chakra if Kisame allows it, using his own. Together with the absorbed chakra and Kisame's own, he will be able to release some chakra energy bursts (just my thought, no proof of that yet).
In this chapter, Samaheda somehwat awakened, meaning Kisame poured his own chakra in it. Samaheda will never explode or turn itself on Kisame. Suigetsu said that Samaheda will be his if he kills Kisame. So the only way Samaheda will be on its own is when Kisame dies.

Okay...at the level Sasuke was when he fought killer bee, he definitely could have killed atleast 7Akatsuki members...

Deidara (Which he did kill)
Itachi (Fought him really well, but this can be irrelevant)
Konan
Kakuzu
Hidane
Zetsu
Sasori

In that list, even without Itachi's powers, he'd be able to kill 6 on that list no problem. And the last thing you said about Sameheda is assumption...Sameheda ALLOWS Kisame to wield it...so what makes you think it won't ever turn if the situation calls for it? We'll see soon what happens...i still predict a killer Bee victory.

[EinarRhys]

Sakura hunting Sasuke? o.O Sasuke is not even in the Real World at the moment as he is in a different dimension. I guess it seems that Sasuke was kinda lying. I feel that she still has mixed feelings. Also, Sakura still does not know what Sasuke has done in the Kage Summit. o.o Plus, Kisame against KillerBee will be interesting. I guess it made sense why Gai Sensei was having a hard time against Kisame during Gaara Bijuu Arc. What other attack does Kisame's sword have other than stealing chakra? o.o I mean that thing is too huge to swing around and it is not flat making is slower when swinging. o.o It still is not sure who will win. We still don't know who is good enough as each of their techniques is still a mystery to us. o.o

[Vergil the Fallen]

Originally Posted by greyfox1

Okay...at the level Sasuke was when he fought killer bee, he definitely could have killed atleast 7Akatsuki members...

Deidara (Which he did kill)
Itachi (Fought him really well, but this can be irrelevant)
Konan
Kakuzu
Hidane
Zetsu
Sasori

In that list, even without Itachi's powers, he'd be able to kill 6 on that list no problem. And the last thing you said about Sameheda is assumption...Sameheda ALLOWS Kisame to wield it...so what makes you think it won't ever turn if the situation calls for it? We'll see soon what happens...i still predict a killer Bee victory.

Deirdara- Froget about him. Read my previous post >.>

Itachi- We all know that he let him win. Because he was his younger brother.

Konan- Maybe, but you cannot trap something that yoou cannot see. And she has been with Nagato for a long time so she may have known some tricks about evading the ey technique since Nagato had the strongest one.

Kakuzu- This dude survived after fighting Hashirama, who fought against Madara. See the link? Sasuke may have been able to trap one body. Others would have torn him to pieces.

Hidane- One drop of blood and its all over. Sasuke is not as calculating as Shilkamaru. And oh yeah. he is an immortal.

Zetsu- Kind of like Konan. Multiply and absorb Sasuke's chakra. Dead.

Sasori- I'm very surprised you decided to add him here. He could have owned Sasuke in two minutes flat. He uses puppets and hundreds of them. And he was insanely fast too with them.

Originally Posted by EinarRhys

I mean that thing is too huge to swing around and it is not flat making is slower when swinging. o.o

But dude, look at Kisame's size too. He carries around Samaheda like its a normal sword. For instance I can remember that he was using it to carry one of the Tailed- Beast hosts on his shoulder and walking cheerily xD

[EinarRhys]

I mean it was in a sealed state and looked like an icicle. ._. But, I mean now it's released it's no longer in a proper shape and is skewed. o.o" If you compared a Samurai Katana to a Medieval Sword then the Katana is way faster and sharper than the Medieval Sword. So, I still think that it's still a disadvantage for Kisame. But, I do not know what exact abilities he has. So, I don't know how he would use it. o.o"

[Lighty]

Why shouldnt Sasuke be able to beat Hidan or Sasori?

Sasori was defeated by Sakura and Chiyo.
Sasuke surely is faster than both of them which means he can easily dodge Sasoris attacks because of his speed and his Sharingan.
His Chidori settles the rest.

And Hidan?
Hidan himself said that his attacks were the slowest in Akatsuki.
So Sasuke has no problem avoiding them.
And chopping the head of Hidan off shouldnt be a problem as well.

I say he can defeat Kakazu with MS...

[Vergil the Fallen]

Sasori was defeated because Chiyo knew what he was about since she was practically his baby sitter and they were int he same village. So Chiyo was unique in that way.
Hidan was defeated because his technique was pondered upon by like four or five ninjas, especially Shikamaru. Since we know that Sasuke is too holier than thou and not as a genius as Shika, it will be too late before Sasuke is toast. Speed is a maybe but do you know how Hidane surivived all those fights with the bijuu's (who could use speed like the Tailed Cat one)? He made up for lack of speed with his powers. And his attacks were only slow in the sense that he weilded a huge-ass modified scythe. And he does not need that to perform his ceremony.
Can you elaborate on how Sasuke could defeat Kakuzu with MS? None of the special MS powers could end up defeating Sasuke. Sharingan could only trap one person at a time (Chiyo's explanation before Naruto came face to face with Itachi). Kakuzu is practically three or four persons, so yeah, can't see this one endiing in Sasuke's favor.

[vaggoz]

Well chiyo was sasori's grandmother.Sasuke should be able to defeat sasori and his puppets should I remind you the training with orochimaru when he send sasuke to defeat 1000 people and he didn't even use his sharingan(Ep 92).About Hidan we know that Sasuke isn't as smart as shikamaru but he has abilities that shikamaru doesn't.More chakra,more elements,Sharingan,genjutsu and if we are talking that the sasuke is the one before the fight with itachi I add the seal.Even if he isn't as sharp as shikamaruhe would find a way.Kakuzu now is another story.He has many hearts with different element each one and can use them as tag players with him but steal as sasuke has two elements he can destroy the two that are weak to his so he still have a chance.Even if kakuzu fought with the first that doesn't make him particularly strong,how do you know that didn't left the fight and survived?My opinion is that Sasuke has the ability to defeat them but he isn't as strong as clever and lucky as the teams that defeated them because all the 3 akatsuki weren't defeated by one but by teams.

[Vergil the Fallen]

Originally Posted by vaggoz

Well chiyo was sasori's grandmother.Sasuke should be able to defeat sasori and his puppets should I remind you the training with orochimaru when he send sasuke to defeat 1000 people and he didn't even use his sharingan(Ep 92).About Hidan we know that Sasuke isn't as smart as shikamaru but he has abilities that shikamaru doesn't.More chakra,more elements,Sharingan,genjutsu and if we are talking that the sasuke is the one before the fight with itachi I add the seal.Even if he isn't as sharp as shikamaruhe would find a way.Kakuzu now is another story.He has many hearts with different element each one and can use them as tag players with him but steal as sasuke has two elements he can destroy the two that are weak to his so he still have a chance.Even if kakuzu fought with the first that doesn't make him particularly strong,how do you know that didn't left the fight and survived?My opinion is that Sasuke has the ability to defeat them but he isn't as strong as clever and lucky as the teams that defeated them because all the 3 akatsuki weren't defeated by one but by teams.

Sasuke defeated 1000 people. Good stuff but let me ask you, were they flying most of them time? Were they equipped with like five blades each, tipped with poison? And was one of them a Kazekage? I don't think so. The ones defeated by Sasuke were nothing more than small fry with no credible standing whatsoever.
Let me ask you. How can you be so sure that Sasuke has more chakra than Shika? There is no evidence to support that claim. Hell, Shika's jutsu may be more chakra taxing than Sasuke's. And even with all the stated powers, does not guarantee a win. For instance Hashirama versus Madara. Madara had an EMS and Hashirama only had the wooden jutsu. I'm not saying that Sasori or whoever is on his level but I'm explaining that with the right mind set, anyone can destroy a stronger opponent.
Kakuzu's level can be explained because well...he walked out of battle with Hashirama. Sasuke has nothing that could beat Kakuzu. The latter used almost all of the elements.
And oh yes, Akatsuki were defeated by teams. Hmm...let me see..what is the Eagle team then? Where did Suigetsu, Juugo and Karin play the part? Oh right. I would recommend that you recall the fight with Killer Bee. If we are on that ground, lets see. Who got defeated by Sasuke in a one on one fight in Shippuden? Oro doesn't count because Sasuke did not 'defeat' him per se. I'm pretty sure Sasuke would have been killed by Oro if they were in a one on one fight. And then there was the fight with Itachi, which of course won't count because Itachi let him win.

P.S Can you please remove those wallpapers from you sig? Against the rules.