A really intresting speculation. Madara.

[viperwasp]

Me and my friend worked something out that would be really interesting. I am posting this more as a "what if" type speculation. There are a lot of theory's to counter it and also to support it.

What if madara could manipulate to some degree any person that has sharingan eyes? Maybe he can even hear and see what they see. The depth and limits of control we did not touch much on. But we did work out how if this is somewhat true. How madara could have manipulated most of the events that have taken place in the show.

Madara always wanted revenge even when his fellow uchiha clan members seemed to have calmed down recently. Madara wanted to recreate the rage and hatred that the uchiha used to be surrounded in. So he set his eyes on sasuke.

Here is were it gets good.
He summoned the fox to draw attention to uchiha clan , danzo having a sharingan eye was controlled by madara and he used danzos eye to also control the two counselors.

He controlled various uchiha members to plan a take over on konoha. And got danzo and the counselors to give the orders to itachi to kill the uchiha clan. He also manipulated itachi himself. Itachi was not unable to kill his little brother sasuke. Instead madara had his eyes set on sasuke long before orochimaru did. He carved a path of hate into sasuke from that event.

Next he accually got itachi to join the akatsuki in order to draw sasuke forward towards him. And to make sasukes goal much harder to reach. Sasuke did not intentionally leave konoha to join orochimaru. Madara manipulated sasuke to seek out more power.

But you might be wondering how would madara know orochimaru would seek out sasuke. Well madara purposely got orochimaru to join the akatsuki and manipulating itachi he knew that orochimaru would crave the uchiha power. So madara set in motion orochimaru desire to obtain sasuke.

He used orochimaru to increase sasukes ability and to keep an eye on orochimaru and eventually kill orochimaru. Next itachi was used to further increase sasukes ability. So he got itachi to pass his ability's on to sasuke and to unlock sasukes mankegio sharingan threw itachi's death. Perhaps itachi was able to resist madara in the later parts of the managa but either way madara had no use for itachi so he had sasuke get rid of him just like how he got sasuke to take care of orochimaru.

Now sasuke is being manipulated by madara to seek out and get rid of danzo and the two counselors. So either danzo is somehow a threat or his usefulness has passed. So first orochimaru then itachi and now danzo , madara is using sasuke to tie up lose ends and probably for something even greater. He wants to recreate the tension and hated that boils deep within the uchiha clans history.

So thats basically it. Madara has been manipulating almost all them main events in the ninja world.


But I also would like to add that madara was only influencing most of the sharingan users. He did not take full control of them. I don't think madara has the ability to make any sharingan user do anything he wants. They need to have some desire to do it anyhow. Thats why he set it up so perfectly. No one would think that sasuke was being manipulated if you think of sasukes history. Perhaps madara could control any sharingan user 100% but doing so would be counter productive. For example if he made kakashi kill yammato for example after he stoped controlling kakashi , kakashi would relize that something was wrong and would willingly get himself arrested and confined. Or even kill himself.

In the least fellow leaf ninja would know kakashi was controlled and eventually figure it out. So even if madara can make any sharingan user do anything he needs to set it up so the manipulated individual does not realize they were being manipulated and even more so that other people would not notice it as well.

So again if kakashi was manipulated to kill a member of akatsuki thats something kakashi would probably do anyhow and he may not know that he was being manipulated. and fellow leaf ninja would not expect anything.

So in a huge nutshell this what me and my friend talked about for about 30 mins. Even we do not think its likely to be true or not as true as this. Its just something I wanted to post here. Heck watch us be right. lol

One other small note. It's also possible that after obito obtained his sharingan that madara could have used that short time to plan obitos death so kakashi could obtain an eye. Then kakashi could be madaras eyes and ears and could be used in the future to set up events etc. Plus he could have planned that event in order for kakashi to be the leader of group 7. So he could keep an eye on the situation. He could not use sasuke from the beginign because sasuke did not have his sharingan eye. So its possible even the formation of team 7 or the fact that kakashi was sasukes jonin mentor could have all been planned as well for various reasons.

This is the last note. Madara knew about narutos knew rasenshuriken that took out two kakuzu's hearts in one hit. Either zetsu or madara was watching this fight and saw the fight which is highly possible. Or madara could have saw what happened threw kakashi's eyes. That is all!! Don't take this to heart I kind of hope I am wrong but I wanted to post this just in case were correct. No one will believe me if I say I predicted this after it happens. lol

[PrimeraOye]

Wow, you just gave Madara the image of a God. I doubt he was responsible for even half of the things you're giving him credit for. I don't even think he was in the picture until he brought the fox to the village and then was called back to help with the Uchiha extermination. I know he has the ultimate sharingan, but dag, I don't think that he did ALL of this.
The part where you guys really messed up was with the whole controlling Obito and younger Kakashi. How and why would he go after such a random Uchiha, Obito did not stand out in any way besides that he was on the same team as a 13 year old Jounin. I doubt he could predict the future, so he had no idea that Sasuke or Naruto would even be born. Besides, Obito had his sharingan for all of 30 minutes, there's no way Madara could have found him and manipulated him in that short span of time.

[viperwasp]

Those later parts were originally not in the main theory. You are right there are defiantly plot holes in the original theory and those added extras at the end.

I agree completely its very unlikely all around. Even less likely with the obito part. You can obit that part completely that's why I added it after. In the very least for the rest of it its not completely impossible. I posted this more for laughs and just to make people go , yes that would be a big twist. Even if we are right about madaras ability to control sharaingan users maybe only a few of the above speculating events took place. lol

Still you have to admit its neat to wonder about theses things. Even if were SUPER WAY OFF COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG. I still hope there is a neat and good twist. Anything other then he's a skillful member of the uchiha clan who somehow is immortal.

[PrimeraOye]

Yeah, the rest of it is plausible...as for that Obito part, just leave it out. I really think that the only reason Madara was able to live for so long is because he takes the bodies of Uchiha who have awoken their sharingan. That might be the true power of his ultimate sharingan. This might be bringing back the dead theory of Tobi=Obito, but now there's more backing to it, I guess.

[viperwasp]

I just read a couple of your posts on other forums. I don't want to keep this going but I have jumped from theory to theory. I used to think madara was danzo many chapters ago. Or at least thought it was possible.

I like how you said that. I already assumed that his immortality is probably from jumping from passing onto other uchiha members. I did not want to add that to my already long enough theory it was more about something else. If I added everything I thought was possible the post would be 100 pages. But many people think he passes onto other uchiha members thats why I also did not even mention it. But one more point I was temped to add was perhaps he is doing all of this controlling people with his sharingan in order to take over sasukes body someday. So regardless of what I said in this post I don't see why he would do so much to sasukes life if he did not have some extreme use for sasuke like extending his own life. With the clan almost gone maybe he will have offspring and transfer himself to his children or grand children. With the clan gone he will run out of bodies very soon unless his immortality stems from something else.

Anyhow I am logging off for tonight.

[PrimeraOye]

Yeah, that is basically what I was getting at, he most likely gets this immortality from other Uchiha members. If he doesn't then maybe he really just wants to see Naruto and Sasuke fight, maybe the outcome of the fight will finally allow him to move on.

[captin smoker]

i frankly dont think he did its a possibility put not a strong one but in the first season i dont think he did any thing other than the fox appearance

[kisachi]

nice speculation although I doubt any of the stuff with Obito cause thats just giving Madara way too much credit XD

[rozarazan]

it could be possible ,but i think that giving madara such godly powers will ruin the show ,i think i would drop the show if such thoery proves true

[viperwasp]

I was going to post this sooner but I forgot. I admit , I really do not see this being possible. If it is then not anything close to the level of which I said. And I would rather that its not true. First of all if I can come up with random stuff and its true then its kind of pathetic. Well I did go quite far out on a limb. So if it is true it would not be as pathetic I would more likely be so amazed that I pulled this nonsense out of the air and it was true. lol

But I hope its not true. Sure Madara is good but if he was this good then it would make everything seem to scripted like no one really make any real decisions.

Would it be cool is yammato was madara? lol There is my next speculation , joking but it could be true.