More Vizard predictions...

[Mushiro]

Well, for those of you who just read chapter -102. You're probably crapping your pants just as I am right now. With this new information, I'm trying to figure out how the Vizards ended up in the living realm.

My prediction is that every Captain and officer sent to the site of attack has their soul chain cut in the same manner as Kensei's was. They all lose control, just as Ichigo did in the past, and Kensei is now. Yammamoto in a last ditch effort, sends/ exiles all those effected to the living realm in order to protect the safety of Soul Society. Since the Vizards are half Shinigami, and half Hollow, they pose no threat to living souls, justifying Yama-jii's decision of sending them to the living realm.

Eventually, Soul Society loses contact with all of the Vizards.

After many years, Urahara is exiled/ re-stationed to the living realm after creating the Hougyuku, he then by chance runs into a familiar face in the living realm (One of the Vizards). While out of contact with SS, the Vizards had learned to control their Hollow side. Hachi's barrier hides the location of the Vizards, and Urahara maintains his friendship with his former comrades. This explains how Urahara knew how to make a Vizard. How he knew about the soul chains corrosion, and why he wasn't sure if he would have to kill Ichigo or not.

That's more or less it in a nutshell, I don't want to write a book. This will probably be part of next weeks chapter, the banishing of those who became Vizards. Hopefully, Tite will continue the flashback arc later on (Probably before Aizen fights Ichigo) explaining why and how Urahara made the Hougyuku, and why he was banished/ restationed to the living realm. I say banished/ relocated, because it is still unknown whether or not Urahara had permission to make the Hougyuku, until we know that, we can't be sure if he was exiled or not.

This short theory would explain why the Vizards aren't quite happy with SS. Yama just kind of got rid of them because he saw them as a threat, and never gave them the opportunity to learn to control the hollow within. Instead, he just ditched them in the living realm. It also explains why Yama-jii never brought them back to Seiretei after they learned to control their Vizard form.... he just never tried finding them, and Urahara kept their existence a secret. So, if Yama-jii looks surprised when the Vizards step in at Karakura town, it's because he probably never expected to see them in any other form but a Hollow.

[zangetsuBankai]

these parts i had questions about

After many years, Urahara is exiled/ re-stationed to the living realm after creating the Hougyuku

i believe 2 b incorrect sir simply because it was stated that he was exiled 100 years ago and its currently 101years prior 2 so that means he'll b exiled/escapes by years end XD

My prediction is that every Captain and officer sent to the site of attack has their soul chain cut in the same manner as Kensei's was

was it stated that he had his chain cut? or that shinigami even have chains?

[bigdaddy9247]

True. But if Ichigo could find them, I am sure any other Cap class shinigami could. But he probably didnt even try to look for them(Yamamoto). Or, Urahara secretly kept in contact with Yama and told them of progreess they were making. I mean they all but started a war with the quincys just for them being different. Why leave the Vizards alone?? If you are stabbed by a Vizard zanpakuto, do you turn into one?Hmmmm. Well in a certain place I guess. Just seems weird that I would say almost half of the SS forces were either exiled, quit their positions, or just disappeared. Damn, thats either one hell of a clean up job by Yama or alot of people just bailed out and left for a really good reason.

[ente]

well well ... got some probs with this

first: why would yama send to the living world... they might cause extrem damage there and if ss cant handle them it would be a problem sending them to the living world

second: urahara, you guess he knows about the vizards.. but why urahara made ichigo a vizard then? if he knows that it is extremly dangerous.... and why didnt he told him about the inner hollow if he knew

[bigdaddy9247]

Originally Posted by ente

well well ... got some probs with this

first: why would yama send to the living world... they might cause extrem damage there and if ss cant handle them it would be a problem sending them to the living world

second: urahara, you guess he knows about the vizards.. but why urahara made ichigo a vizard then? if he knows that it is extremly dangerous.... and why didnt he told him about the inner hollow if he knew

he probably had no choice. I mean after Byakuya all but killed him, he either could
1. Live again as a Vizard since that was the method that was knwon to start the process or
2. Die in a hole in the ground as the hollow consumed his soul and Urahara killed him. \


No choices here folks. make me a Vizard!!!


The technique for stabbing and cutting soul chains was one of Byakuya's best techniques vs lower ranked shinigami. Could he be doing this?????

[ente]

Originally Posted by bigdaddy9247

he probably had no choice. I mean after Byakuya all but killed him, he either could
1. Live again as a Vizard since that was the method that was knwon to start the process or
2. Die in a hole in the ground as the hollow consumed his soul and Urahara killed him. \


No choices here folks. make me a Vizard!!!


The technique for stabbing and cutting soul chains was one of Byakuya's best techniques vs lower ranked shinigami. Could he be doing this?????

na i guess its pretty easy for every captain class shinigami to stab at a certain point

and for your two explainations ichigo wouldnt die because of byakuya he just get rid of rukias power inside him.... why taking the risk making him a vaizard and not telling him about it

[Mushiro]

Originally Posted by zangetsuBankai

these parts i had questions about
i believe 2 b incorrect sir simply because it was stated that he was exiled 100 years ago and its currently 101years prior 2 so that means he'll b exiled/escapes by years end XD

was it stated that he had his chain cut? or that shinigami even have chains?

I kinda meant that some time past, I was writing in a hurry, but yeah, you get the gist, Urahara left SS not long after the Vizards, it had to take a little bit of time for him to create the Hougyuku. They also always said Urahara was exiled "About 100 years ago." I'm sure you could give or take a few years from that.

And yeah, Shinigami have Soul Chains, Ichigo did, and Uryuu also disabled a Shinigami's powers indefinitely during his first battle in SS by piercing the exact same spot that Kenseis wound was located.

Originally Posted by ente

well well ... got some probs with this

first: why would yama send to the living world... they might cause extrem damage there and if ss cant handle them it would be a problem sending them to the living world

Good question. If you were Yammamoto, leader and protector of SS, what would hold greater priority to you? Your home land? Or some place else? My answer: his home land. His job is to protect SS and Seiretei. Since the Vizards posed an amazing threat to SS, they had to be moved. The Vizards may not have posed a threat to normal humans, but they did pose a threat to Souls. Usually, hollows don't attack normal humans, they attack pluses and other hollows. So that may have been Yammamotos reasoning behind sending them to the living realm. Plus, he seems to like to just dump shit in the living realm anyways.

In Yamamoto's eyes, the safety of Soul Society takes priority over the Living Realm. Because if SS is destroyed, the living realm will fall shortly after anyways.

Originally Posted by ente

second: urahara, you guess he knows about the vizards.. but why urahara made ichigo a vizard then? if he knows that it is extremly dangerous.... and why didnt he told him about the inner hollow if he knew

Again, Good question. I don't know why he made Ichigo a Vizard. My prediction is that he knew the Hougyuku was in danger. The very first episode of Bleach, the Kurosaki residence was attacked. My prediction is that Isshin was the original carrier of the Hougyuku, if that is the case, that's why he moved the Hougyuku to Rukia. Urahara didn't make Ichigo a Vizard until after the Hougyuku was back in SS. So he needed a person who was powerful and someone he could trust to go to SS and retrieve it for him. He knew Ichigo was strong enough to defeat the Hollow, so he thought the risk was worth taking. He also knew that he would be dealing with Arrancar, so he would need someone on an equal playing field to battle them.

Also, he didn't tell Ichigo about the inner Hollow because he knew it wouldn't be a problem, and he knew that when it did become a problem, that he knew people who could teach him to deal with it. Which he did. Urahara also has a way of just not telling Ichigo shit. Kinda like he neglected to tell him he was a Gotei 13 Captain, and how he didn't tell him about the Hougyuku at all until after the SS arc.

[Vergil the Fallen]

Originally Posted by Mushiro

I kinda meant that some time past, I was writing in a hurry, but yeah, you get the gist, Urahara left SS not long after the Vizards, it had to take a little bit of time for him to create the Hougyuku. They also always said Urahara was exiled "About 100 years ago." I'm sure you could give or take a few years from that.

And yeah, Shinigami have Soul Chains, Ichigo did, and Uryuu also disabled a Shinigami's powers indefinitely during his first battle in SS by piercing the exact same spot that Kenseis wound was located.


Good question. If you were Yammamoto, leader and protector of SS, what would hold greater priority to you? Your home land? Or some place else? My answer: his home land. His job is to protect SS and Seiretei. Since the Vizards posed an amazing threat to SS, they had to be moved. The Vizards may not have posed a threat to normal humans, but they did pose a threat to Souls. Usually, hollows don't attack normal humans, they attack pluses and other hollows. So that may have been Yammamotos reasoning behind sending them to the living realm. Plus, he seems to like to just dump shit in the living realm anyways.

In Yamamoto's eyes, the safety of Soul Society takes priority over the Living Realm. Because if SS is destroyed, the living realm will fall shortly after anyways.


Again, Good question. I don't know why he made Ichigo a Vizard. My prediction is that he knew the Hougyuku was in danger. The very first episode of Bleach, the Kurosaki residence was attacked. My prediction is that Isshin was the original carrier of the Hougyuku, if that is the case, that's why he moved the Hougyuku to Rukia. Urahara didn't make Ichigo a Vizard until after the Hougyuku was back in SS. So he needed a person who was powerful and someone he could trust to go to SS and retrieve it for him. He knew Ichigo was strong enough to defeat the Hollow, so he thought the risk was worth taking. He also knew that he would be dealing with Arrancar, so he would need someone on an equal playing field to battle them.

Also, he didn't tell Ichigo about the inner Hollow because he knew it wouldn't be a problem, and he knew that when it did become a problem, that he knew people who could teach him to deal with it. Which he did. Urahara also has a way of just not telling Ichigo shit. Kinda like he neglected to tell him he was a Gotei 13 Captain, and how he didn't tell him about the Hougyuku at all until after the SS arc.

didn't Ichigo lose all his shinigami powers because of Baykuya which turned him into a Pluse? i don't think the shinigami have soul chains. They were pluse when they came to SS, slowly worked up the ladder (like Renji and the others did) and u know the story.
i think what u meant to say was that shinigami HAD soul chains
I think the reason why Urahara made Ichigo into a vizard was because, as u said, to protect the hougyoku but he also knew about the bond Ichigo had with Rukia, the new hougyoku carrier. So he therefore knew Ichigo would go to the SS to rescue Rukia, thats why Urahara made the portal leading to SS in such a hurry.
The rest, i agree with.

[zangetsuBankai]

Originally Posted by Mushiro

I kinda meant that some time past, I was writing in a hurry, but yeah, you get the gist, Urahara left SS not long after the Vizards, it had to take a little bit of time for him to create the Hougyuku. They also always said Urahara was exiled "About 100 years ago." I'm sure you could give or take a few years from that.

And yeah, Shinigami have Soul Chains, Ichigo did, and Uryuu also disabled a Shinigami's powers indefinitely during his first battle in SS by piercing the exact same spot that Kenseis wound was located.

no kidding XD! so that means a fragment of 1 of my wacked out theories was correct XD
that the only way 2 save them was 2 turn them into vizards

im thinking that urahara will have a part in this like perhaps the hogyoku is a way 2 forcefully or assist in subjecting ur inner hollow O.O

[ente]

Originally Posted by Mushiro

In Yamamoto's eyes, the safety of Soul Society takes priority over the Living Realm. Because if SS is destroyed, the living realm will fall shortly after anyways.

isnt the first priority to protect the balance between the souls? so living world in danger--->souls in danger--->ss in danger

i doubt they will send the vizards to the living world in the state kensei is

and they knew how long their innner battles took.... so there had to be someone fighting their bodies and counting the time while the battle lasted