I have an awesome theory... I think :D

[sharingan09]

Well we know that the Vaizards knew Urahara in the past, and that Byakuya took Ichigo's powers away in the beginning, to get them back Urahara helped him with that technique thingy and his hollow awakened then right? So maybe all the Vaizard back then, they used to be Captains, Lieutenants and so on, you know high classed Shinigami (as far as I've seen) and maybe their powers got taken away too somehow but Urahara used that method on them that he used on Ichigo... and thus they became the Vaizards, good or bad theory?

Dunno if anyone came up with this yet, so delete thread if so.

[Timmeh_PS3]

I think you're right, but the real question is; How did the Vizard lose their powers?

[CommanderCody88]

I already said ur crazy theorie before...thats what is happening in the manga right now..ppl are getting stabbed at from the dark at their shinigami critical points..the only way to regain their powers is to do the same thing as Urahara did to Ichigo...but Ichigo still had the chain..these dead-ex-shinigami dont...

[sharingan09]

Oh, really? I didn't see it my bad. Well yeah I figured something bad would happen to Kensei after he got stabbed, so he might as well be the first Vaizard..

[ente]

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agree with cody ... the prob is ichigos chain he had as a plus, but didnt ichigo only obtained shinigami powers again... because byakuya only destryoed the ones he gained from rukia... and not ichigos own?

[Vergil the Fallen]

this has been discussed before so the theory ius this. The vizards were created because of the hougyoku while Ichigo became a vizard after the unique Urahara training...as for the loss of powers, it could be that, as zB said before, they were stabbed off like Kensei.

[rozarazan]

i believe ur thoery has a lot of sense in it,plus it is true we thought the vizards were created by the hougyoku,but still i don't believe it was created yet,so maybe he is right

[CommanderCody88]

Ive never believed that the hougyoku can make vaizards out of shinigami...cos it never was the case with ichigo..of course there usually are more ways to obtain certain skills..like bankai...but I wont believe until they actually say it in bleach....maybe the hougyoku was made to try and restore the lost powers of the shinigami that had their powers sealed...and it went wrong....

and I agree with ente...Byak-kun only destroyed the shinigami powers that ichi got from Rukia..and btw... arent those the same spots like normal ones? or else byak-kun wouldnt know where to stab :P

[zangetsuBankai]

Originally Posted by CommanderCody88

Ive never believed that the hougyoku can make vaizards out of shinigami...cos it never was the case with ichigo..of course there usually are more ways to obtain certain skills..like bankai...but I wont believe until they actually say it in bleach....maybe the hougyoku was made to try and restore the lost powers of the shinigami that had their powers sealed...and it went wrong....

and I agree with ente...Byak-kun only destroyed the shinigami powers that ichi got from Rukia..and btw... arent those the same spots like normal ones? or else byak-kun wouldnt know where to stab :P

wait u dont believe the orb can make vizards out of shingami?..........y is that O.o
theyve already said wat the hogyoku is & that infact melts the barrier that separates hollows & shinigami.......thus arrancar & vizards exist although both have happened naturally as well

[ente]

ah just cant wait till they say more about how the hogyoku works....

but cody u might got me wrong i think the vizards are made with the hogyoku, thats why ichigo is so special i just agreed with u that the same thing urahara did to ichigo doesnt work because of the chain