How will Aizen deal with the Zero Squad?

[silenceisntgold2]

Originally Posted by forge

Still, to that point, I don't think that proves Shinji can break Aizen's power. It was just Aizen doing what he did with Hinamori and pointing out their obvious flaw in trusting those around them.

Shinji made Aizen his subordinate because he didn't trust him. Aizen went with it because he felt he could manipulate him. But the thing is, Shinji knew he was dangerous and his nature. He also knows his power and was able to rip through it once, regardless of if Aizen intended for him to do it.

My question is... Why isn't there a VC examination like the Captains have when showing their zanpakuto's bankai? Or did only Aizen do that to get everyone under the hypnosis? If the VC had to show their zanpakuto's, Shinji would have been able to tell everyone, "hey... it's not water based. It's putting you all under an illusion."

[Darth Kenshin]

Originally Posted by forge

Still, to that point, I don't think that proves Shinji can break Aizen's power. It was just Aizen doing what he did with Hinamori and pointing out their obvious flaw in trusting those around them.

This wasn't definitive, but it's my understanding that Shinji can NOT break Aizen's power. Aizen showed just enough of his ability/evil to fool Shinji: the distrust would keep Shinji away from him, but by not disclosing the full extent of his abilities, Shinji never looked at Aizen as a legitimate threat. Basically, Aizen wanted Shinji to know he's shady, but he didn't want Shinji to realize how powerful he was, because that would cause more of a reaction than "let me keep my eye on him." In that case, Aizen most likely permitted Shinji to break it. Aizen said that people can be aware they are under it, but they still wouldn't be able to break it. I take him at his word, so right now, Shinji can't break the hypnosis.

[Ajvkorn]

I think you guys are giving Aizen to much Credit. With this new chapter out, he says himself that even he thought the espada were strong enough to take on the gotei 13. He probably put a lot of his faith into that the Espada would kill some captains. Don't get me wrong, Aizen is smart enough to have a backup plan, probably being WW, but still. He said he had no plans for him to kill harribel, but apparently the espada were weaker then he thought. He even took his time and gathered them all. SO maybe with them failing, it might have put a small dent into Aizen's plan. Could you imagine if he had everyone under hypnosis and made it seem like they killed the espada?That would be a twist .. Kind of lame, but heh i would laugh.


Anyways....As far as the zero squad. Aizen has to have some VL.As some have said, he is to outnumbered and especially if there is a zero squad.Even if it's only 5 people, that's 5 more people captain level+ that he has to face.

[En3mick]

He did it when Shinji was walking away from Urahara's cabin in the TBTP arc.
Also Aizen succeeded in faking himself not because Shinji was tricked but because Shinji did not pay more attention to his subordinates. Had he did that, Aizen would not have fooled him. This was pointed out by Aizen himself when Shinji was being hollowfied >_>

True i forgot the scene... but again will he be able to fight against those illusions?
I mean when he did this aizen wasn't expect anything like this and wasn't creating any illusions to fight for, who knows what he can come up with...

Anyway i like Shinji and until now he haven't shown us his true power not even when he had the mask :/

[forge]

Originally Posted by Ajvkorn

Anyways....As far as the zero squad. Aizen has to have some VL.As some have said, he is to outnumbered and especially if there is a zero squad.Even if it's only 5 people, that's 5 more people captain level+ that he has to face.

Zero Squad won't be sent out to fight Aizen. They're a defensive squad that is in place to protect the king so it's not like they're going to be sent out to fight against Aizen while he's in fake Karakura town.

I don't think that Aizen has put anybody under hypnosis during this fight...I think that the Espada were just there to soften up the opposition. Right now, the only fresh shinigami that is there is captain commander and it's safe to assume that Aizen may be able to handle him. The rest are grievously injured and/or so tired that they can't do much to help. What you'll most likely see now is something along the lines of a couple vasto lordes like Wonderweiss appear and Ichigo and the captains in HM join in the fight.

[bigdaddy9247]

if the 0 squad members are all former captains, than there isnt any reason why he could not manipulate them just as he has everyone else. Although they may be elite warriors, Aizen has justy a equal shot at defeating them..its a big chess match.So far Aizen has given up little but us wreaking havoc...

[Vergil the Fallen]

Originally Posted by forge

Ukitake is, for all we know, out of the fighting for a while, Shinji is probably the only Vizard that can stand a chance against Aizen and almost every Vice Captain is in bad enough condition that Aizen could finish them all in a matter of seconds. Don't forget how quickly Ichigo dispatched three vice captains in the SS arc...and more importantly, don't forget how much stronger an unreleased Aizen was in comparison to Ichigo's bankai(stopping his swing with just his hand). Right now, I think it's safe to say that the only people that we are aware of that have a chance in fighting Aizen are Captain Commander and Ichigo if he can ever get out of Hueco Mundo.




Still, to that point, I don't think that proves Shinji can break Aizen's power. It was just Aizen doing what he did with Hinamori and pointing out their obvious flaw in trusting those around them.

I think you are considering Shinji as the only contender because he seems to be the unofficial leader of the Vizards. That may be true but what about the others? If its true that they can go into their bankai with their masks and plus the fact that they were captains in their time, they can fight Aizen in groups.
As for fighting Aizen, Ukitake can very much so do that. Remember that Hacchi is free now. Maybe he can lend his healing power to Ukitake. And the there is Shunsui. He is injured but he still hasn't gone bankai yet. And why does everybody keeps forgetting Ishiin, Urahara and others? This is the third time I'm poiting them out >.>
Never said Shinji can break Aizen's tricks but he has the best idea out of all of them of Aizen's powers since the latter was his VC. And consider this. Why did Tite go through the trouble of showing us that Shinji could look through Aizen's illusions if he could, if it did not mean anything?

[forge]

Originally Posted by Vergil the Fallen

I think you are considering Shinji as the only contender because he seems to be the unofficial leader of the Vizards. That may be true but what about the others? If its true that they can go into their bankai with their masks and plus the fact that they were captains in their time, they can fight Aizen in groups.
As for fighting Aizen, Ukitake can very much so do that. Remember that Hacchi is free now. Maybe he can lend his healing power to Ukitake. And the there is Shunsui. He is injured but he still hasn't gone bankai yet. And why does everybody keeps forgetting Ishiin, Urahara and others? This is the third time I'm poiting them out >.>
Never said Shinji can break Aizen's tricks but he has the best idea out of all of them of Aizen's powers since the latter was his VC. And consider this. Why did Tite go through the trouble of showing us that Shinji could look through Aizen's illusions if he could, if it did not mean anything?

Hacchi is missing a hand still I think...so I kind of doubt that he has the capacity to heal others right now. Rose, Love, Hacchi and Machiro are all hurt so they won't be able to do much. Only Vizards that aren't hurt are Shinji, Kensei, Lisa and Hiyori. Out of those, the only one that I think that has the mental capacity to stay even a step behind Aizen is Shinji. Kensei just seems to be all muscle and no mind and Lisa and Hiyori are, I believe, both no where near Aizen in terms of skill and power.

As for Isshin, Ryuken and Urahara....they're the only people of any power that are known to be protecting the real Karakura town. Every captain and just about every vice captain is either in HM or fake Karakura town...so that leaves just a horde of mediocre shinigami to protect the thing that Aizen is supposedly really after.

[Vergil the Fallen]

Originally Posted by forge

Hacchi is missing a hand still I think...so I kind of doubt that he has the capacity to heal others right now. Rose, Love, Hacchi and Machiro are all hurt so they won't be able to do much. Only Vizards that aren't hurt are Shinji, Kensei, Lisa and Hiyori. Out of those, the only one that I think that has the mental capacity to stay even a step behind Aizen is Shinji. Kensei just seems to be all muscle and no mind and Lisa and Hiyori are, I believe, both no where near Aizen in terms of skill and power.

As for Isshin, Ryuken and Urahara....they're the only people of any power that are known to be protecting the real Karakura town. Every captain and just about every vice captain is either in HM or fake Karakura town...so that leaves just a horde of mediocre shinigami to protect the thing that Aizen is supposedly really after.

Haachi was a VC of the Kido squad and it is known that one can use kido with, well, one hand xD As for Rose and Love, yes they wre injured but not to the extent of being incapacitated. Kensei with no mind? How did you reach to that conclusion? By looking at his hollow form? He is a hot-head but he can be composed. Lisa and Hiyori are obviously not up to the par with Aizens power but they can provide help because of their masks and also considering the fact that they were ex VCs.
The real Karakura Town comes after the SS defeat in the fake one. Correct? Now do you really think Urahara would be sitting back and waiting for Aizen and company to come in? I don't think so. Ishiin and Ryuuken have nothing to do with Urahara's plans or whatever. They can act on their own and if they think they are needed, they will make an appearence (If Ishiin comes in, Ryuuken may follow). If Aizen defeats the SS in the fake, Urahara will have to come to the fake Karakura because they may catch Aizen off guard and compartively weak from the fights. Plus the captains in HM. For some reason, I think they are going to make a plunge in later chapters.
Besides all of this, do you really think Aizen and company can defeat the whole SS? I mean, honestly? That would be utter stupid and ridiculous :/

[forge]

Originally Posted by Vergil the Fallen

Haachi was a VC of the Kido squad and it is known that one can use kido with, well, one hand xD As for Rose and Love, yes they wre injured but not to the extent of being incapacitated. Kensei with no mind? How did you reach to that conclusion? By looking at his hollow form? He is a hot-head but he can be composed. Lisa and Hiyori are obviously not up to the par with Aizens power but they can provide help because of their masks and also considering the fact that they were ex VCs.
The real Karakura Town comes after the SS defeat in the fake one. Correct? Now do you really think Urahara would be sitting back and waiting for Aizen and company to come in? I don't think so. Ishiin and Ryuuken have nothing to do with Urahara's plans or whatever. They can act on their own and if they think they are needed, they will make an appearnce (If Ishiin comes in, Ryuuken may follow). If Aizen defeats the SS in the fake, Urahara will have to come to the fake Karakura because they may catch Aizen off guard and compartively weak from the fights. Plus the captains in HM. For some reason, I think they are going to make a plunge in later chapters.
Besides all of this, do you really think Aizen and company can defeat the whole SS? I mean, honestly? That would be utter stupid and ridiculous :/

So you're suggesting that Urahara, Isshin and Ryuken leave real Karakura town mostly defenseless while not knowing that Aizen is for sure fully engaged? If intelligence came back that his full forces were at fake Karakura town...ok. But for all we know, he's got a few tricks up his sleeve in HM waiting for the cue to come attack the real Karakura town once Urahara and company vacate.

Of course Aizen could defeat the shambles of the captains and vice captains in fake Karakura town. He has, in my estimation, the strongest shikai of any shinigmi known. To be able to control the mind of somebody is the most powerful weapon imaginable. All he has to do is draw his zanpakuto and he can shape all their minds into whatever he wants. He can "die" as many times as he wants to...he can be as many people as he wants...he can show whatever powers he wants...he can show weaknesses that aren't there...show strengths that aren't there. His power is near limitless. I think his only opponent of any risk is captain commander...but for him to get fully involved in this kind of battle would probably mean risking the lives of almost everybody there...including his own subordinates.

As for Ichigo...yeah..I really hope you are right in that. I don't think even he stands much of a chance against Aizen but maybe he could play a key role in distracting him for a little bit until a plan can be formulated. To be honest, possibly the most vital person in HM is not Ichigo, but Mayuri. Maybe he has found a way to counter the mind control. That's probably their best shot at taking him down without major casualties. But then again...no major good guys have died yet...so maybe all this is just useless speculation, like you say, anyway.