Bleach Chapter 363 Spoiler/Discussions

[CrayZ]

Originally Posted by derekmcdaniel

How gay would it be if Wonderweis releases and a "-1" appears.

I would laugh so hard at that. It would be EPIC, let's be honest, it would suit the character.

[Darth Kenshin]

Originally Posted by grimmjaw88

I hope the coming of Wonderwise and his frined would make the story more and more complicated ,I don't think his coming is just a back up to the 3 Espada I think Aizen's sent him there in another purpose

Crazy theory: this Monster with Wonderweiss looks like he's some kind of conglomerate of many hollows. What if he's able to harvest the souls of dead hollows or something? The King's Key, according to Aizen, can be created in an area of dense spiritual activity with the souls of 100,000 humans. But if this monster can harvest souls, perhaps the monster itself can be transformed into a King's Key? Maybe Aizen is trying to create the area of dense spiritual activity right in Fake Karakura Town, and this Monster is coming to harvest the souls of the Espada and fallen Shinigami. He probably doesn't need 100,000 souls if he's using Shinigami and powerful Arrancar.

Also keep in mind, Aizen NEVER said they were going to "win" this battle. That's something we've been messing up all along (a lot of us thought the Espada would be stronger, because Aizen expected them to win easily and couldn't have misjudged the Shinigami that badly). However, his actual words were "the battle will be over without us having to lift a finger." He didn't specify if the Espada were going to win. It's possible he never intended for them to win. He expected them to die all along, hoping they would take some Shinigami with them, and this huge Monster might be coming in to absorb their souls, and then Aizen can essentially transform the monster to become the Ouken. I've been saying for months the Espada were pawns in all of this... maybe this is how.

Crazy? Probably, as this would assume Aizen was a step ahead of Yamamoto. I actually don't think this is the case, but I'm hoping for something like this... Like Grimmjaw88, I'm hoping Wonderweiss showing up isn't just to make the battle more dangerous, but actually changes the course of the plot.

[bigdaddy9247]

Originally Posted by Darth Kenshin

Crazy theory: this Monster with Wonderweiss looks like he's some kind of conglomerate of many hollows. What if he's able to harvest the souls of dead hollows or something? The King's Key, according to Aizen, can be created in an area of dense spiritual activity with the souls of 100,000 humans. But if this monster can harvest souls, perhaps the monster itself can be transformed into a King's Key? Maybe Aizen is trying to create the area of dense spiritual activity right in Fake Karakura Town, and this Monster is coming to harvest the souls of the Espada and fallen Shinigami. He probably doesn't need 100,000 souls if he's using Shinigami and powerful Arrancar.

Also keep in mind, Aizen NEVER said they were going to "win" this battle. That's something we've been messing up all along (a lot of us thought the Espada would be stronger, because Aizen expected them to win easily and couldn't have misjudged the Shinigami that badly). However, his actual words were "the battle will be over without us having to lift a finger." He didn't specify if the Espada were going to win. It's possible he never intended for them to win. He expected them to die all along, hoping they would take some Shinigami with them, and this huge Monster might be coming in to absorb their souls, and then Aizen can essentially transform the monster to become the Ouken. I've been saying for months the Espada were pawns in all of this... maybe this is how.

Crazy? Probably, as this would assume Aizen was a step ahead of Yamamoto. I actually don't think this is the case, but I'm hoping for something like this... Like Grimmjaw88, I'm hoping Wonderweiss showing up isn't just to make the battle more dangerous, but actually changes the course of the plot.

Hey, that does make some sense Kenshin. I mean Aizen only said that they wouldnt have to lift a finger...and he didnt say that they had to win.........And the Espadas were pans really. I think only the top 3 espadas would survive but it doesnt even look liek halibel or Barrigan are alive.......
And with all the dense spiritual enegy emmitted from the battles etc, thats more than enough probably to make the key...BUT, the only people who have died so far are arrancars.....if thats all Aizen needed he could have made the key already using his own people.....Aizen needs pure souls tho..the untainted kind. Sure the fighting raises the denseness of the spiritual levels in the Karakura town location, but without the actually people, idk..........But i mean Aizen may have been sending hollows to kill and devour humans all this time..look at the last filler arc...

[Gurren Lagann]

Originally Posted by Darth Kenshin

It's unclear if he actually died. Nnoitra inflicted a wound on him, but Grimmjow survived at least initially (when Ichigo interfered, Nnoitra told Grimmjow how pathetic it was to be saved by a human... I don't think he'd be talking to him if he was already dead). They haven't shown him since, so it's possible those wounds eventually killed him, or it's possible he's recovering. Nnoitra did not definitely kill him, though (it's all in chapter 287... I'm fairly certain we haven't seen Grimmjow since).

he has to be alive...when in bleach has a charcter died and we didnt witness it? if he died he would have seen him turned to dust or exploded into spirit particles but neither has happened...and takes more then a fatal wound to kill a bleach character we all know that lol

[bigdaddy9247]

Ya know, i think that the big black mass is probably the baddest muther fucker in HM. Maybe yamamotos arch enemy..maybe why he created the 13 sqauds anyways.....he knew that others had to learn how to combat this evil force and since he was the only one to ever encounter it he wanted to teach others how to possibly fight with it..

[Darth Kenshin]

Originally Posted by bigdaddy9247

BUT, the only people who have died so far are arrancars.....if thats all Aizen needed he could have made the key already using his own people.....Aizen needs pure souls tho..the untainted kind. Sure the fighting raises the denseness of the spiritual levels in the Karakura town location, but without the actually people, idk..........But i mean Aizen may have been sending hollows to kill and devour humans all this time..look at the last filler arc...

Aizen is a very indirect kind of guy. Hypthetically, if this were his plan, it wouldn't be his nature to start slaughtering his army. He'd rather let other people do the dirty work. Now, he's able to get the Espada to fight the Shinigami. So if he wanted to harvest souls, doing it this way has added benefits: the Gotei 13 get weaker from fighting, if any of the Shinigami die it's an added bonus, and as the Espada die, their powerful spiritual pressure can be absorbed into this Monster. Again, it's pretty far fetched... we have no clue what the Monster is, and I'm basing all of this on an assumption that he's some kind of conglomerate of many Menos, and there's no hard evidence of that. Just thought it was a fun theory... more of a "I hope it's going in this direction" thing than an "it looks like it's going in this direction" thing, just cause, again, I want Wonderweiss' appearance to be more than making the situation more dire for the Shinigami. I want there to be a twist along with it. Maybe that's wishful thinking.

Originally Posted by Gurren Lagann

he has to be alive...when in bleach has a charcter died and we didnt witness it? if he died he would have seen him turned to dust or exploded into spirit particles but neither has happened...and takes more then a fatal wound to kill a bleach character we all know that lol

Yeah you're right. He's too important to have an inconclusive death. He's more than likely still alive. I do think he's still alive, and I think he's going to open a Garganta to let the Shinigami out of HM. He's too weak at this point to factor into any of the fights, in my opinion.

[tydust]

Originally Posted by silenceisntgold2

This chapter was SO good. From the title, I was expecting it to be about the battle with Yammy. I was gladly disappointed.

It seems like Shunsui's bankai is something a bit extravagant, and maybe that Aizen hasn't seen yet, which would be why they want to hide it (my guess anyway). I was hoping that the change in Stark's character wasn't just a blip. There's validity to it, as Shunsui called him out on it.

Wonderweiss seems like the same as always. Not enough mental capacity to use real words, opening his mouth very baby-like, but at least he's standing up instead of crouching down(I think he did, anyway. I could be mixing this up with L from death note, I watched that around the same time).

I think if it was just the giant monster on its own, Shunsui and Ukitake could handle it. But since Wonderweiss and Stark(released) are there, they might need a little help. What if it's not Urahara or the vizards that help them out? We forgot an entire squad. The Kido Corps. Since Tessai and Hacchi left about 100 years before this, the seats should have been filled. A good kido user would be able to put this beast out of commission in my opinion.

Many people are saying "ooo shunsui and ukitake are going to have there hands full..." Yes, they are the strongest there other than the old man but there is still my man Sajin and Yamamoto's vice captain.. hitsagaya who has been done with his fight... but yes it would be a good change to see the commander of the Kido corps show up and do some work, but my point is that there are plenty others still standing around watching and resting.

[grimmjaw88]

Originally Posted by Darth Kenshin

Crazy theory: this Monster with Wonderweiss looks like he's some kind of conglomerate of many hollows. What if he's able to harvest the souls of dead hollows or something? The King's Key, according to Aizen, can be created in an area of dense spiritual activity with the souls of 100,000 humans. But if this monster can harvest souls, perhaps the monster itself can be transformed into a King's Key? Maybe Aizen is trying to create the area of dense spiritual activity right in Fake Karakura Town, and this Monster is coming to harvest the souls of the Espada and fallen Shinigami. He probably doesn't need 100,000 souls if he's using Shinigami and powerful Arrancar.

Also keep in mind, Aizen NEVER said they were going to "win" this battle. That's something we've been messing up all along (a lot of us thought the Espada would be stronger, because Aizen expected them to win easily and couldn't have misjudged the Shinigami that badly). However, his actual words were "the battle will be over without us having to lift a finger." He didn't specify if the Espada were going to win. It's possible he never intended for them to win. He expected them to die all along, hoping they would take some Shinigami with them, and this huge Monster might be coming in to absorb their souls, and then Aizen can essentially transform the monster to become the Ouken. I've been saying for months the Espada were pawns in all of this... maybe this is how.

Crazy? Probably, as this would assume Aizen was a step ahead of Yamamoto. I actually don't think this is the case, but I'm hoping for something like this... Like Grimmjaw88, I'm hoping Wonderweiss showing up isn't just to make the battle more dangerous, but actually changes the course of the plot.

Actually it isn't far fetched from Aizen personality; I mean every body know that Aizen from the beginning used his Espada as tools to achieve his goal, it won't be a surprise if he betrays his inferiors again like he did in SS … but the problem is Tite himself even if he killed the 3 Espada he wouldn't scarifies a single shinigami that means Aizen plan will fail and I think this one is far fetched, Aizen will dig his own grave in his own hand if his monster fail his mission because the 3 Espada and the Captains at this point will be a real threat for him … personally I like the idea because I really want to see something different rather than fights ,I was really excited to see this war but there has to be some plots within it as you said exactly like the SS arc.

Edit:
also If this monster was able to do something like that ,Tite should have to give us an exiplination for its power in other word its power should be really increadible to absorb the 3 espada and the captains. and we all now that the VL is the strongest in HM and this monster has a massive body so there is noway to be one of them ,unless Aizen's hiden the truth that there's a different kind of Arrancer stonger that VL and the theory of the VL isn't really true.

[bigdaddy9247]

Wonderwiss's appearance does make things more dangerous for the Shinigami. Come to think of it, if something were to happen to either Ukitake or Shunsui, i would call that a wrap for the good guys.No one else is gonna be able to stop Aizen let alone all 3. I would love to see one of the top captains die here..Maybe Stark will surprise Shunsui and blow his head off...:-P..assuming Ukitake doesnt repel it.
Speaking of that, thats some strange zanpakuto Ukitake has. I wanna see a bankai soon from one of thee guys. I figure once Ukitake dies, Shunsui will get desperate..

[Darth Kenshin]

Originally Posted by grimmjaw88

Actually it isn't far fetched from Aizen personality; I mean every body know that Aizen from the beginning used his Espada as tools to achieve his goal, it won't be a surprise if he betrays his inferiors again like he did in SS … but the problem is Tite himself even if he killed the 3 Espada he wouldn't scarifies a single shinigami that means Aizen plan will fail and I think this one is far fetched, Aizen will dig his own grave in his own hand if his monster fail his mission because the 3 Espada and the Captains at this point will be a real threat for him … personally I like the idea because I really want to see something different rather than fights ,I was really excited to see this war but there has to be some plots within it as you said exactly like the SS arc.

Edit:
also If this monster was able to do something like that ,Tite should have to give us an exiplination for its power in other word its power should be really increadible to absorb the 3 espada and the captains. and we all now that the VL is the strongest in HM and this monster has a massive body so there is noway to be one of them ,unless Aizen's hiden the truth that there's a different kind of Arrancer stonger that VL and the theory of the VL isn't really true.

Yeah I expect to get some explanation about the monster soon.

As for the first part of your post, you're right in that no Shinigami would die because that's how Tite is. But again, having the Espada fight the Shinigami has benefits for Aizen, even if they are destined to be sacrifices (as in, bringing them to fight the Gotei 13 and having them die, as opposed to just killing them himself). The Gotei 13 are getting weaker by expending energy and sustaining injuries (4 VCs look out of commission). Also, Aizen might get insights into some captain's bankai, which could help him down the road. Especially if this assault leads to Kyoraku, Ukitake, or Yama unveiling their bankai, that could be a critical turning point in favor of Aizen.